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Ice cream and the word Chink

Hello, my name is Danny. Will you be my friend? After the awesome post last friday, it's difficult to have a good follow up. Of course I'll touch on the whole issue of the word 'Chink' and how each person wants to feel about the word. And I'll also talk very little about ice cream because it was 101 degrees yesterday and what's better than frozen treats during the heat? Although apparently when it's over 90 degrees, taro-ice-cream

The knock on bad bloggers like myself is that we don't do any of those things that good journalists do... I much rather eat my vegetables than fact check. I mean, checking to see if something is true?! Puh-lease! So I googled for Sundaes and Cones' website and found this. It looks like it hasn't been updated in more than a couple of years but the site says they've been around since 1991 in Bay Ridge Brooklyn. It just goes to show that there's good ice cream all over the city and schmucks like me don't find out until they get blogged about.

One great thing about Sundaes and Cones is that they offer some non-traditional flavors like red bean, black sesame, corn, and green tea. Another New York ice cream parlor that has the same type of flavors is the Chinatown Ice Cream Factory. I like them for the same reason as I like Sundaes and Cones. Lately though, Sundaes and Cones seems to offer ice cream that are more intense. Sometimes the Chinatown Ice Cream Factory has stuff that's bland. Of course non-traditional has taken on a whole new meaning these days. Carrot Mango? Jesus Juice? We need some of that here in New York.

taro-ice-cream-2

Anyway so let's talk a little bit about words and racism. Part of me doesn't really feel like talking about it because the people who normally read... if some of them left, it's ok. But I know a lot of the people who commented on the 'Chink' post came from Midtown Lunch, and those people don't normally read this blog... and what's the point to address people who normally don't read this stuff?

First of all... if anyone still doesn't know this, but I'm Chinese. Phew, good, I'm glad we got that out of the way. Secondly, words are simply a way of expression for an individual (or group). Whether or not a word is offensive has a lot to do with context. You don't need to use the word Chink to be racist and you are not a racist just because you use the word Chink. I'm sorry to all Chinese people in America who feel like Chink is derogatory by itself the way the n-word is. It's not. The historical context of the n-word doesn't need explanation in this country.

For the Chinese people who get offended by the word Chink. You need to relax. Life is too short. If someone wants to call me Chink or whatever, fine. Would I be offended? Who knows? If that person is speaking with venom, I would get the message even the person didn't use the word Chink. Context matters a lot with words, and racism exists deeper than word choice. Maybe some people think Asians are just full of self-loathing and that this self-professed twinkie actually just hates the shit out of Chinese people. Maybe y'all are right. Maybe I just can't stand being Chinese so much that I'll go commit the holy act of seppuku. Fuck, I can't even get my ethnic suicide rituals down correctly. I'm a bad Chink.

Sundaes & Cones
95 E 10th St.
New York, NY 10003
212-979-9398

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  • @ben,

    not much to say about that. if you don't like the reply, you can read something else. to your face, i'd just say relax and go away. so that's what i'll say to you here. relax, and go away.

  • I'm more offended by you're reply back to people. Fuck you I can say whatever I want? What are you a 17 year old asian troll? Did you ever think that maybe people didn't get that you were joking. You wouldn't have the guts to act as much of a jerk in front of people as you do on your own blog.

  • Rocky Road is my favorite non-Asian flavor, and it's definitely richer at Ben & Jerry's. Sundaes & Cones kinda fails at that one. Best to stick to the Asian flavors there.

  • You are making a very valid point about the use of the word Chink. Gay people have rejected words that use to describe them (among these words, homosexuals) because they were meant to be derogatory. They promoted the word "gay" instead... How ironic to see that kids now use "gay" in a derogatory way. It's the root of the issue: that perceptions of chinks & gays are negative, which must be dealt with; not the consequence, or symptom (the words used) that must be dealt with!

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  • @Tia,

    haha, funny enough I think the flavors at Ben and Jerry's can be light sometimes... There's always great things studded into the ice cream... I should do a head-to-head between a flavor they both have though. Something like coffee? Have you tested that before?

    @Davidkus,

    It is funny to see the way we react to words. The root of the issue really is how we want to perceive the words as we hear it. And knowing the intention of however people say things (no matter which words they use) is more important.

  • So how was the Taro ice cream? Every time I see taro ice cream, I think of the times when I vacationed in HK as a child and saw those tubs of purple ice cream in the freezer section at the supermarkets!

  • @wonders,

    They serve a better taro ice cream than Chinatown Ice Cream Factory. I actually think the first few bites are very distinguishable from the CICF. Obviously after a few bites the intensity won't be as apparent, but yea I prefer this taro ice cream to anything else you can get in NY.

  • Whoa, lots of drama on your blog since I was on vacation! Too much! Personally I don't use the word, but if you want to use it, you're not using it to put others down, and you're Chinese, I say power to you. It's like the word bitch, I say it all the time and I don't use it with bad intentions (e.g., Merry Christmas bitches!), but I would get offended if a person called me one as an insult, or if someone I didn't know called me one (who knows what they possibly meant).

    But most importantly, let's talk about food. I like Sundaes & Cones too. I like that I can get "Asian flavors" in the EV without going to Chinatown. Usually if I have a craving, I go to Sundaes and the BF goes to Ben & Jerry's. He says the flavors are too light there.

  • @Nicholas,

    It already has between my friends and I. haha. It's one of those things where you have this funny sounding word that's just waiting to be added to your everyday vocabulary. Once it's there, it's like every other word.

    @JL,

    Ah... froyo. That's a good call too. I ought to try one of those places that charges by the ounce. And thank you for being a long-time reader and chiming in on this issue!

  • hi danny! that looks like a delicious cup of ice cream. i turn to frozen yogurt when it gets this hot. the tang of froyo makes it such a refreshing treat in this heat wave.

    i've been a long time reader who never got around to commenting. just wanted to drop in with my own two cents. you're an interesting blogger who occasionally touches on controversial subjects. in fact, i've always returned to your blog because of the sometimes unconventional topics that you talk about. with your "tendency" in topics and your trend for witticisms in mind, your use of taboo- taboo to some people but everyday vernacular to others- language should not come across as INTENTIONALLY offensive and racist. anyone who got seriously offended by your last post was either sensitive or clearly not a regular reader of your blog. they could have simply walked away but instead they chose a fight with someone who had no intention of belittling the Chinese race or in spreading more hate. what a sorry waste of their time. they should try saving America from racism in other places on the internet. keep up your good work, danny!

  • @FN,

    They're consistently one of the better non-gelato scoops in the city. I would eat it everyday if I could.

    @Yvo,

    Yea, I had no idea they been around that long either. I thought they popped up in the village just randomly. Well purely for reasons for using it... I just don't think that deeply about it. The sentence was constructed like that in my head, it's not somewhere where I inserted it in there for effect. It's difficult to pinpoint reasons or the way one adopts a word but it's there in my vocabulary. Not that it's used everyday, but it is used and for me it isn't a huge deal.

  • :) Maybe one day it'll become a term of endearment within the Asian community just as the n-word has haha.

  • so why abbreviate the n-word, but not the c-word?

  • @TT,

    because Chink is no where near the same as the n-word. I think anyone living in the U.S. knows that. I'm strictly against any of woe-is-us attitude for Chinese people to take about the word Chink. Historical context matters, and there's different ones between chink and the n-word. Honestly I'm surprised that I even have to clarify that.

  • I liked Sundaes and Cones the one time I went. I got a tiramisu and it was pretty good. I think it's time for a re-visit, especially with this weather.

  • Huh, I had no idea that Sundaes & Cones has been around since 91. I've only been to the one in the city but appreciate it cuz it's like CICF but in the Village instead.

    Just wanted to clarify something: I'm not offended by your use of the 'c-word' (as a woman of Asian descent, that can mean two things...). My comment was simply asking if you had a reason to use that word. "Because I want to" seems to be the reason, and while perfectly valid, didn't really satisfy my curiosity, but that's okay.

    I really want ice cream now. Well, I wanted it before and this doesn't help.

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